{"id":6,"date":"2023-11-17T10:10:22","date_gmt":"2023-11-17T10:10:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/?p=6"},"modified":"2023-12-01T07:04:55","modified_gmt":"2023-12-01T07:04:55","slug":"ji-ho-san-shi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/?p=6","title":{"rendered":"Ji ho san shi"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ce sutra est r\u00e9cit\u00e9 dans le dojo en fin de zazen, c&#8217;est le premier que j&#8217;ai appris.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">En cherchant sa signification et sa provenance on trouve d&#8217;abord tous les sites issus de la lign\u00e9e de Deshimaru : sur le site de l&#8217;AZI<sup data-fn=\"544a4a0b-d300-43cc-97c0-559ab2258042\" class=\"fn\"><a href=\"#544a4a0b-d300-43cc-97c0-559ab2258042\" id=\"544a4a0b-d300-43cc-97c0-559ab2258042-link\">1<\/a><\/sup> , chez Kosen<sup data-fn=\"7f26744b-9af0-463d-8d34-fc6fe179d906\" class=\"fn\"><a href=\"#7f26744b-9af0-463d-8d34-fc6fe179d906\" id=\"7f26744b-9af0-463d-8d34-fc6fe179d906-link\">2<\/a><\/sup>, en Suisse<sup data-fn=\"3bec3dd5-1583-4380-bbfb-0b4a51f2b1ea\" class=\"fn\"><a href=\"#3bec3dd5-1583-4380-bbfb-0b4a51f2b1ea\" id=\"3bec3dd5-1583-4380-bbfb-0b4a51f2b1ea-link\">3<\/a><\/sup>, en Espagne<sup data-fn=\"eabb8a68-bd3e-43af-a0b0-25ee7911197d\" class=\"fn\"><a href=\"#eabb8a68-bd3e-43af-a0b0-25ee7911197d\" id=\"eabb8a68-bd3e-43af-a0b0-25ee7911197d-link\">4<\/a><\/sup>&#8230;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Je cite ici celui de l&#8217;AZI :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ji ho san shi i shi fu<br>Shi son bu sa mo ko sa<br>Mo ko ho jya ho ro mi<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Et sa traduction :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A tous les bouddhas pass\u00e9s, pr\u00e9sents et futurs dans les dix directions,<br>A tous les bodhisattvas et les patriarches,<br>Le sutra de la Grande Sagesse qui permet d\u2019aller au-del\u00e0.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dans un pdf<sup data-fn=\"3814b7c3-7396-404b-8800-db01ac5c925e\" class=\"fn\"><a href=\"#3814b7c3-7396-404b-8800-db01ac5c925e\" id=\"3814b7c3-7396-404b-8800-db01ac5c925e-link\">5<\/a><\/sup> intitul\u00e9 &#8220;S\u014dt\u014d Zen Texts for Daily Services&#8221;, compil\u00e9 par K\u014dky\u014d Yakai, j&#8217;ai trouv\u00e9 la premi\u00e8re phrase :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">All Buddhas, ten directions, three times jihosanshi ishishi fu<br>\u5341\u65b9\u4e09\u4e16\u4e00\u5207\u8af8\u4f5b<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">On voit que la traduction anglaise est diff\u00e9rente, &#8220;three times&#8221; devient &#8220;pass\u00e9s, pr\u00e9sents et futurs&#8221;. Le sens est le m\u00eame.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Je n&#8217;ai aucune connaissance en japonnais, mais j&#8217;ai internet, alors je me lance dans le d\u00e9chiffrage des Kanjis<sup data-fn=\"fe3e3e13-a5bb-4d5b-ab02-6a2708ea06dc\" class=\"fn\"><a href=\"#fe3e3e13-a5bb-4d5b-ab02-6a2708ea06dc\" id=\"fe3e3e13-a5bb-4d5b-ab02-6a2708ea06dc-link\">6<\/a><\/sup> :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u5341 : ten<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u65b9 : direction<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u4e09 : three<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u4e16 : world, society<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u4e00 : one<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u5207 : cut<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u8af8 : various, many<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u4f5b :  Bouddhism, Bouddha, France<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le dernier est tr\u00e8s amusant, je pense que la traduction France est apparue apr\u00e8s l&#8217;\u00e9poque de ce sutra&#8230; <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le &#8220;cut&#8221; n&#8217;a pas le bon sens ici. Sur un autre site de Kanjis<sup data-fn=\"19a842e2-6fc6-45b3-bb35-455da09b0cec\" class=\"fn\"><a href=\"#19a842e2-6fc6-45b3-bb35-455da09b0cec\" id=\"19a842e2-6fc6-45b3-bb35-455da09b0cec-link\">7<\/a><\/sup>, je trouve : &#8220;couper&#8221;, &#8220;se rompre&#8221;. Je vois aussi qu&#8217;on peut associer les Kanjis&#8230; Par exemple si on prend avec celui d&#8217;avant :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"http:\/\/kanji.free.fr\/kanji.php?unicode=4E00\">\u4e00<\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/kanji.free.fr\/kanji.php?unicode=5207\">\u5207<\/a><em> <\/em><em>issai<\/em> : (+ n\u00e9gation) absolument pas<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ca sens l&#8217;impasse, je vais voir la prononciation. sur le premier site de Kanjis, on voit deux prononciations &#8220;on&#8221; et &#8220;kun&#8221;. Ils n&#8217;expliquent pas ce que \u00e7a signifie, \u00e7a doit \u00eatre trop \u00e9vident. Je cherche ailleurs :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">on = pronunciation taken from the Chinese<br>kun = pronunciation from the Japanese <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Je reprends le premier kanji, \u5341, &#8220;dix&#8221; :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"649\" height=\"116\" src=\"https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/image.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-8\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/image.png 649w, https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/image-300x54.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 649px) 100vw, 649px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Donc, on est &#8220;on&#8221;, prononciation chinoise !<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">On continue sur le deuxi\u00e8me, \u65b9, &#8220;direction&#8221; :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"642\" height=\"136\" src=\"https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/image-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-9\" srcset=\"https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/image-1.png 642w, https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/image-1-300x64.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 642px) 100vw, 642px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">C&#8217;est bien \u00e7a, on a le d\u00e9but du sutra, &#8220;ji ho&#8230;&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">On fait la phrase compl\u00e8te, avec jitenom.com :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u5341 : ji<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u65b9 : ho<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u4e09 : san<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u4e16 : se ou sei<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u4e00 : ichi<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u5207 : sai ou sestu<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u8af8 : sho<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u4f5b :  futsu ou butsu<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Je n&#8217;ai pas les son shi pour \u4e16, on regarde sur l&#8217;autre site de kanji, kanji.free.fr : se ou sei, pareil.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Impasse.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">J&#8217;ai trouv\u00e9 l&#8217;explication de mes difficult\u00e9s dans un kusen de Ma\u00eetre Deshimaru<sup data-fn=\"377f1599-dd13-4d0e-8ba7-f3c043d4af8a\" class=\"fn\"><a href=\"#377f1599-dd13-4d0e-8ba7-f3c043d4af8a\" id=\"377f1599-dd13-4d0e-8ba7-f3c043d4af8a-link\">8<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dans les temps modernes, ceux qui \u00e9tudient le bouddhisme au Japon doivent d&#8217;abord \u00e9tudier le <em>kambun<\/em>, le chinois ancien. S&#8217;ils ne peuvent le comprendre, ils ne peuvent pas lire les s\u016btras. Puis ils doivent \u00e9tudier le sanscrit. C&#8217;est tr\u00e8s difficile pour les Japonais, et encore plus pour les Europ\u00e9ens (ils doivent en plus \u00e9tudier le japonais).<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">R\u00e9f\u00e9rences<\/h2>\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-footnotes\"><li id=\"544a4a0b-d300-43cc-97c0-559ab2258042\">https:\/\/www.zen-azi.org\/fr\/book\/ji-ho-san-shi <a href=\"#544a4a0b-d300-43cc-97c0-559ab2258042-link\" aria-label=\"Jump to footnote reference 1\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li><li id=\"7f26744b-9af0-463d-8d34-fc6fe179d906\">https:\/\/www.zen-deshimaru.com\/fr\/zen\/ji-ho-san-shi-tous-les-bouddhas-passes-presents-et-futurs <a href=\"#7f26744b-9af0-463d-8d34-fc6fe179d906-link\" aria-label=\"Jump to footnote reference 2\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li><li id=\"3bec3dd5-1583-4380-bbfb-0b4a51f2b1ea\">https:\/\/zen-deshimaru.ch\/ji-ho-san-shi-texte-et-traduction\/ <a href=\"#3bec3dd5-1583-4380-bbfb-0b4a51f2b1ea-link\" aria-label=\"Jump to footnote reference 3\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li><li id=\"eabb8a68-bd3e-43af-a0b0-25ee7911197d\">https:\/\/www.seikyuji.org\/fr\/pratique-zen\/sutras-zen\/ <a href=\"#eabb8a68-bd3e-43af-a0b0-25ee7911197d-link\" aria-label=\"Jump to footnote reference 4\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li><li id=\"3814b7c3-7396-404b-8800-db01ac5c925e\">https:\/\/realityisdharma.files.wordpress.com\/2018\/09\/sotozentexts.pdf <a href=\"#3814b7c3-7396-404b-8800-db01ac5c925e-link\" aria-label=\"Jump to footnote reference 5\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li><li id=\"fe3e3e13-a5bb-4d5b-ab02-6a2708ea06dc\">https:\/\/jitenon.com\/kanji\/ <a href=\"#fe3e3e13-a5bb-4d5b-ab02-6a2708ea06dc-link\" aria-label=\"Jump to footnote reference 6\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li><li id=\"19a842e2-6fc6-45b3-bb35-455da09b0cec\">http:\/\/kanji.free.fr\/kanji.php?utf8=%E5%88%87&amp;x=28&amp;y=13 <a href=\"#19a842e2-6fc6-45b3-bb35-455da09b0cec-link\" aria-label=\"Jump to footnote reference 7\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li><li id=\"377f1599-dd13-4d0e-8ba7-f3c043d4af8a\">Gakud\u014dy\u014djin-sh\u016b, Eihei Dogen, Deshimaru, Enseignement oral volume 4 <a href=\"#377f1599-dd13-4d0e-8ba7-f3c043d4af8a-link\" aria-label=\"Jump to footnote reference 8\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li><\/ol>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ce sutra est r\u00e9cit\u00e9 dans le dojo en fin de zazen, c&#8217;est le premier que j&#8217;ai appris. En cherchant sa signification et sa provenance on trouve d&#8217;abord tous les sites issus de la lign\u00e9e de Deshimaru : sur le site de l&#8217;AZI , chez Kosen, en Suisse, en Espagne&#8230;. Je cite ici celui de l&#8217;AZI [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":"[{\"content\":\"https:\/\/www.zen-azi.org\/fr\/book\/ji-ho-san-shi\",\"id\":\"544a4a0b-d300-43cc-97c0-559ab2258042\"},{\"content\":\"https:\/\/www.zen-deshimaru.com\/fr\/zen\/ji-ho-san-shi-tous-les-bouddhas-passes-presents-et-futurs\",\"id\":\"7f26744b-9af0-463d-8d34-fc6fe179d906\"},{\"content\":\"https:\/\/zen-deshimaru.ch\/ji-ho-san-shi-texte-et-traduction\/\",\"id\":\"3bec3dd5-1583-4380-bbfb-0b4a51f2b1ea\"},{\"content\":\"https:\/\/www.seikyuji.org\/fr\/pratique-zen\/sutras-zen\/\",\"id\":\"eabb8a68-bd3e-43af-a0b0-25ee7911197d\"},{\"content\":\"https:\/\/realityisdharma.files.wordpress.com\/2018\/09\/sotozentexts.pdf\",\"id\":\"3814b7c3-7396-404b-8800-db01ac5c925e\"},{\"content\":\"https:\/\/jitenon.com\/kanji\/\",\"id\":\"fe3e3e13-a5bb-4d5b-ab02-6a2708ea06dc\"},{\"content\":\"http:\/\/kanji.free.fr\/kanji.php?utf8=%E5%88%87&amp;x=28&amp;y=13\",\"id\":\"19a842e2-6fc6-45b3-bb35-455da09b0cec\"},{\"content\":\"Gakud\u014dy\u014djin-sh\u016b, Eihei Dogen, Deshimaru, Enseignement oral volume 4\",\"id\":\"377f1599-dd13-4d0e-8ba7-f3c043d4af8a\"}]"},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=6"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":16,"href":"https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6\/revisions\/16"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=6"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=6"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zen.rushforth.fr\/site\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=6"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}